>> trace: mike, thank you. joining me, washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times" newspaper. lynn swede. we've got this meeting going on and the dynamics are fascinating. the president, john boehner, nancy pelosi, harry reid, mcconnell, you don't need his support because the democrat controlled center. it is a sit doesn't have a -- >> mcconnell is very important because in the senate, you need a super majority to pass. a reason why i think if there's some kind of a deal, and i'm not that optimistic, why it has to start in the senate is you need republicans to buy in, even a little bit, in order to send any measure to the house. so by definition, to get 60 votes, you need republicans on it. that's enough to call whatever the deal is, bipartisan, which may make it easier on the house.